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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2009/12/02/toby-gerhart-should-win-the-heisman/comment-page-1/#comment-19906</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Saturday&#039;s games, unless something really weird happens in the voting, it should come down to Ingram and Gerhart.  Either would be a great choice.

Hopefully Florida&#039;s loss to Alabama will finally put an end to Tim Tebow being shoved down our throats relentlessly.  

For years, watching a golf tournament involving Woods or a college football game involving Tebow meant having to sit through non-stop hype and ass-kissing.  The hero worship TV Sports has given to these two has been so over the top at times it&#039;s been absolutely nauseating.  

It&#039;s astonishing that people seem genuinely shocked by the backlash against athletes like Tebow and Tiger Woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Saturday&#8217;s games, unless something really weird happens in the voting, it should come down to Ingram and Gerhart.  Either would be a great choice.</p>
<p>Hopefully Florida&#8217;s loss to Alabama will finally put an end to Tim Tebow being shoved down our throats relentlessly.  </p>
<p>For years, watching a golf tournament involving Woods or a college football game involving Tebow meant having to sit through non-stop hype and ass-kissing.  The hero worship TV Sports has given to these two has been so over the top at times it&#8217;s been absolutely nauseating.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s astonishing that people seem genuinely shocked by the backlash against athletes like Tebow and Tiger Woods.</p>
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		<title>By: hedwy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hedwy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear ya, Gator, and agree that the Heisman is awarded to the BEST college player.  Not best quarterback, or most popular, or prettiest.

&quot;The Case for Toby Gerhart&quot;
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/14806/the-case-for-toby-gerhart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya, Gator, and agree that the Heisman is awarded to the BEST college player.  Not best quarterback, or most popular, or prettiest.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Case for Toby Gerhart&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/14806/the-case-for-toby-gerhart" rel="nofollow">http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/14806/the-case-for-toby-gerhart</a></p>
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		<title>By: HoustonGator</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2009/12/02/toby-gerhart-should-win-the-heisman/comment-page-1/#comment-19789</link>
		<dc:creator>HoustonGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hedwy-

The Heisman isn&#039;t handed to the person who is the best pro prospect.  It&#039;s (supposed to be) given to the best college football player.

How is Gerhart not a product of the system?  He&#039;s run more than the QB has thrown.  Why is the Stanford &quot;system&quot; not: give Gerhart the ball?  What&#039;s the difference?  I think the &quot;system&quot; talk is BS (other than one example I&#039;ll get to in a second).  A runner on a passing team is not going to win the Heisman because he&#039; won&#039;t have the numbers.  And vice versa for a QB.  The only exception I can think of in recent memory is USC when both Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart had &quot;Heisman-worthy&quot; seasons.

Hedwy, I totally dig you (you post AWESOME pics!), but I&#039;m a Gator man and my opinion is that Tebow is an exceptional college football player on the #1 team in the country (hopefully still #1 on Sunday), and he probably means as much to his team&#039;s success or more than anyone in the country - he should win the Heisman (although I think McCoy probably will win it and I&#039;m happy about that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hedwy-</p>
<p>The Heisman isn&#8217;t handed to the person who is the best pro prospect.  It&#8217;s (supposed to be) given to the best college football player.</p>
<p>How is Gerhart not a product of the system?  He&#8217;s run more than the QB has thrown.  Why is the Stanford &#8220;system&#8221; not: give Gerhart the ball?  What&#8217;s the difference?  I think the &#8220;system&#8221; talk is BS (other than one example I&#8217;ll get to in a second).  A runner on a passing team is not going to win the Heisman because he&#8217; won&#8217;t have the numbers.  And vice versa for a QB.  The only exception I can think of in recent memory is USC when both Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart had &#8220;Heisman-worthy&#8221; seasons.</p>
<p>Hedwy, I totally dig you (you post AWESOME pics!), but I&#8217;m a Gator man and my opinion is that Tebow is an exceptional college football player on the #1 team in the country (hopefully still #1 on Sunday), and he probably means as much to his team&#8217;s success or more than anyone in the country &#8211; he should win the Heisman (although I think McCoy probably will win it and I&#8217;m happy about that).</p>
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		<title>By: hedwy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hedwy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote Mike:
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Gerhart would be a deserving winner. He was tremendous in the two Stanford games I watched this year (USC and Notre Dame). Equally deserving would be Colt McCoy. I hope it comes down to those two.

The one player I fear will win it is Tim Tebow. Especially if Florida beats Alabama this Saturday. The more I’ve watched Tebow this year, the more I’m convinced he’s more a product of Florida’s system and Urban Meyer’s coaching than any individual greatness. All I ever see Tebow do it run through gaping holes or throw short completions to wide open receivers underneath.

Please football gods, let anyone other than Tebow win the Heisman!!!
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I agree, I think the two frontrunners should be Toby and McCoy.  And agree totally with your Tebow sentiments.

He&#039;s pretty, and is a very good college player, with admirable determination and drive, and honorable character, but...

He is totally a product of the system he&#039;s in and is surrounded by a talented team.  If you look closely at his mechanics, the guy has a weird throwing motion with a long-ass windup release, and he throws a wobbly ball.  He gets away with his passing in college, but in the pros there&#039;s no way those sexy cornerbacks and safeties that sportinlife lusts after wouldn&#039;t be able to get in the passing lanes to pick it off.

As for rushing, he can bull-run his way in college, but he&#039;s not going to be able to do that in the NFL.  And he&#039;s not quick enough like a Vince Young or even McNabb to be able to &quot;elude&quot; pro tacklers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote Mike:<br />
&#8212;<br />
Gerhart would be a deserving winner. He was tremendous in the two Stanford games I watched this year (USC and Notre Dame). Equally deserving would be Colt McCoy. I hope it comes down to those two.</p>
<p>The one player I fear will win it is Tim Tebow. Especially if Florida beats Alabama this Saturday. The more I’ve watched Tebow this year, the more I’m convinced he’s more a product of Florida’s system and Urban Meyer’s coaching than any individual greatness. All I ever see Tebow do it run through gaping holes or throw short completions to wide open receivers underneath.</p>
<p>Please football gods, let anyone other than Tebow win the Heisman!!!<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>I agree, I think the two frontrunners should be Toby and McCoy.  And agree totally with your Tebow sentiments.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s pretty, and is a very good college player, with admirable determination and drive, and honorable character, but&#8230;</p>
<p>He is totally a product of the system he&#8217;s in and is surrounded by a talented team.  If you look closely at his mechanics, the guy has a weird throwing motion with a long-ass windup release, and he throws a wobbly ball.  He gets away with his passing in college, but in the pros there&#8217;s no way those sexy cornerbacks and safeties that sportinlife lusts after wouldn&#8217;t be able to get in the passing lanes to pick it off.</p>
<p>As for rushing, he can bull-run his way in college, but he&#8217;s not going to be able to do that in the NFL.  And he&#8217;s not quick enough like a Vince Young or even McNabb to be able to &#8220;elude&#8221; pro tacklers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerhart would be a deserving winner.  He was tremendous in the two Stanford games I watched this year (USC and Notre Dame).  Equally deserving would be Colt McCoy.  I hope it comes down to those two. 

Two players who will get no consideration (because of the overall failure of their team) who have also had spectacular years are Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate of Notre Dame. btw, I&#039;m a Notre Dame hater - so those views are unbiased by any ND rooting interest.

The one player I fear will win it is Tim Tebow.  Especially if Florida beats Alabama this Saturday.  The more I&#039;ve watched Tebow this year, the more I&#039;m convinced he&#039;s more a product of Florida&#039;s system and Urban Meyer&#039;s coaching than any individual greatness.  All I ever see Tebow do it run through gaping holes or throw short completions to wide open receivers underneath.

Please football gods, let anyone other than Tebow win the Heisman!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerhart would be a deserving winner.  He was tremendous in the two Stanford games I watched this year (USC and Notre Dame).  Equally deserving would be Colt McCoy.  I hope it comes down to those two. </p>
<p>Two players who will get no consideration (because of the overall failure of their team) who have also had spectacular years are Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate of Notre Dame. btw, I&#8217;m a Notre Dame hater &#8211; so those views are unbiased by any ND rooting interest.</p>
<p>The one player I fear will win it is Tim Tebow.  Especially if Florida beats Alabama this Saturday.  The more I&#8217;ve watched Tebow this year, the more I&#8217;m convinced he&#8217;s more a product of Florida&#8217;s system and Urban Meyer&#8217;s coaching than any individual greatness.  All I ever see Tebow do it run through gaping holes or throw short completions to wide open receivers underneath.</p>
<p>Please football gods, let anyone other than Tebow win the Heisman!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joetx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joetx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cyd -

1.  You cited the Mercury News article, which came up with the lame idea that Gerhart won&#039;t be considered b/c he&#039;s a white RB, so either directly or indirectly YOU are asserting that 1 of the 2 reasons he&#039;s not being considered for the Heisman is b/c he&#039;s not black.

2.   You wrote, &quot;When you think about his prospects of winning the trophy, you have to consider his race or preseason predictions as deciding factors...&quot;  So yes, YOU are ONCE AGAIN asserting that he&#039;s not being considered for the Heisman is b/c he&#039;s not black.  

3.  The SI article you linked was written by a white woman.  Plus, NOWHERE does she make the argument that Gerhart is being ignored for the Heisman b/c he&#039;s white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cyd -</p>
<p>1.  You cited the Mercury News article, which came up with the lame idea that Gerhart won&#8217;t be considered b/c he&#8217;s a white RB, so either directly or indirectly YOU are asserting that 1 of the 2 reasons he&#8217;s not being considered for the Heisman is b/c he&#8217;s not black.</p>
<p>2.   You wrote, &#8220;When you think about his prospects of winning the trophy, you have to consider his race or preseason predictions as deciding factors&#8230;&#8221;  So yes, YOU are ONCE AGAIN asserting that he&#8217;s not being considered for the Heisman is b/c he&#8217;s not black.  </p>
<p>3.  The SI article you linked was written by a white woman.  Plus, NOWHERE does she make the argument that Gerhart is being ignored for the Heisman b/c he&#8217;s white.</p>
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		<title>By: This Is. True</title>
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		<dc:creator>This Is. True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Stanford sucks ass....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Stanford sucks ass&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: George the moron</title>
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		<dc:creator>George the moron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey George,
Stanford doesn&#039;t play is some podunk conference in the middle of America.  They soundly clobbered top-10-ranked UO and USC in consecutive weekends, with Toby shouldering most of the burden.  Further, this Stanford team was 1-11 a couple years ago.  Other Heisman hopefuls all play on consistently top teams, who are expected to win regularly and land the best recruits/athletes at all positions on the field.  
Toby&#039;s 26 rushing TDs is an all-time PAC-10 record.  Yes, better than Reggie Bush, Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott, OJ Simpson, and the long line of amazing running backs the conference has seen.
Screw your head on correctly and appreciate the talent that makes Toby so special to watch.
And finally, I&#039;m very sorry that you went to Kal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey George,<br />
Stanford doesn&#8217;t play is some podunk conference in the middle of America.  They soundly clobbered top-10-ranked UO and USC in consecutive weekends, with Toby shouldering most of the burden.  Further, this Stanford team was 1-11 a couple years ago.  Other Heisman hopefuls all play on consistently top teams, who are expected to win regularly and land the best recruits/athletes at all positions on the field.<br />
Toby&#8217;s 26 rushing TDs is an all-time PAC-10 record.  Yes, better than Reggie Bush, Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott, OJ Simpson, and the long line of amazing running backs the conference has seen.<br />
Screw your head on correctly and appreciate the talent that makes Toby so special to watch.<br />
And finally, I&#8217;m very sorry that you went to Kal.</p>
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		<title>By: sportinlife</title>
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		<dc:creator>sportinlife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When will the terrible negroes stop oppressing and making hellish the lives of underprivileged white boys from Stanford?&quot;

Ouch! :razz: 

Pretty is as pretty does.

There have always been a lot of pretty &quot;negroes&quot; out there.  It is only since the civil rights movement that we allowed &#039;all&#039; to notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When will the terrible negroes stop oppressing and making hellish the lives of underprivileged white boys from Stanford?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouch! <img src='http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':razz:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Pretty is as pretty does.</p>
<p>There have always been a lot of pretty &#8220;negroes&#8221; out there.  It is only since the civil rights movement that we allowed &#8216;all&#8217; to notice.</p>
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		<title>By: kattt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kattt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will the terrible negroes stop oppressing and making hellish the lives of underprivileged white boys from Stanford?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the terrible negroes stop oppressing and making hellish the lives of underprivileged white boys from Stanford?</p>
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