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		<title>By: Joe Clark</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21314</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t see either of the proprietors of this site standing up to outside demands to curtail their editorial freedom. It’s &lt;em&gt;your site&lt;/em&gt; and a white lesbian outsider’s editorial opinions aren’t more valuable than your own. I expect that religious fundamentalists (including militant Islamists) would have a few opinions about your site, too. Are you going to listen to them, too?

You are under no obligation to suit anyone but yourselves. Instead,  you &lt;em&gt;appease&lt;/em&gt;.

If the white lesbian outsider wants a different editorial focus, she can start her own site. Actually, she already did that, so what’s her problem?

Fundamentally, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.fawny.org/2010/01/15/mcgwire-lesbian/&quot; title=&quot;Too white! Too strong&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;there is nothing wrong with whites or masculinity in sport&lt;/a&gt;. Anybody who’s got a problem with that needs to be told the Web is a very big place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t see either of the proprietors of this site standing up to outside demands to curtail their editorial freedom. It’s <em>your site</em> and a white lesbian outsider’s editorial opinions aren’t more valuable than your own. I expect that religious fundamentalists (including militant Islamists) would have a few opinions about your site, too. Are you going to listen to them, too?</p>
<p>You are under no obligation to suit anyone but yourselves. Instead,  you <em>appease</em>.</p>
<p>If the white lesbian outsider wants a different editorial focus, she can start her own site. Actually, she already did that, so what’s her problem?</p>
<p>Fundamentally, <a href="http://blog.fawny.org/2010/01/15/mcgwire-lesbian/" title="Too white! Too strong" rel="nofollow">there is nothing wrong with whites or masculinity in sport</a>. Anybody who’s got a problem with that needs to be told the Web is a very big place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Buzinski</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21098</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Buzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact is there are gay minority athletes out there-whether out and proud or closeted— and that is what Outsports should be diligently looking for.&quot;

We have never ignored any out athlete, but with two of us running the site, we miss things and depend on reader tips. If you know of any out athlete we have not written about, please let us know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact is there are gay minority athletes out there-whether out and proud or closeted— and that is what Outsports should be diligently looking for.&#8221;</p>
<p>We have never ignored any out athlete, but with two of us running the site, we miss things and depend on reader tips. If you know of any out athlete we have not written about, please let us know.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21086</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the points brought out above are very valid---yes there should be a place where gay men can indulge their &quot;straight sports&quot; fetish unapologetically, yes there should be a greater representation of gay sports and it&#039;s participants on this website, yes the outsports staff could do a better job of including local sports (and thus increasing their diversity quotent), but the main point DeVits makes is important-- Outsports should be inclusive and should actively and rigorously search out diverse POV&#039;s.  Anyonomous blogs are rampant on this site (see gay baseball player site or gay hockey boys site) so the argument that they are afraid of being found out is dubious.  The fact is there are gay minority athletes out there-whether out and proud or closeted--- and that is what Outsports should be diligently looking for, while at the same time still posting wonderful photos and stories of our white out and proud or closeted fellow athletes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the points brought out above are very valid&#8212;yes there should be a place where gay men can indulge their &#8220;straight sports&#8221; fetish unapologetically, yes there should be a greater representation of gay sports and it&#8217;s participants on this website, yes the outsports staff could do a better job of including local sports (and thus increasing their diversity quotent), but the main point DeVits makes is important&#8211; Outsports should be inclusive and should actively and rigorously search out diverse POV&#8217;s.  Anyonomous blogs are rampant on this site (see gay baseball player site or gay hockey boys site) so the argument that they are afraid of being found out is dubious.  The fact is there are gay minority athletes out there-whether out and proud or closeted&#8212; and that is what Outsports should be diligently looking for, while at the same time still posting wonderful photos and stories of our white out and proud or closeted fellow athletes.</p>
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		<title>By: A.Pat</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21072</link>
		<dc:creator>A.Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay leagues to me are much like the Negro leagues of the 20th cent. They were needed only so that the athletes could compete. I feel that today we don’t need those leagues because as an athlete you want to compete with the best. Many people play sports not for the money but for the Glory of the sport. 

We want Equal rights not a separate state where one superior athlete can beat up on lesser ones in what some would call a &quot;Recreational league&quot;! We play sports for a challenge and we reporting on these issues the NCAA and male dominated sports seem to be far behind the Female sports. It’s a clear point Lesbians are many times more likely in the sports based only on my relationships to be excepted by the School that they compete for. It is the idea that Masculinity in females is sometimes admired by the Male teams although I did see many of the lesbians have issues with other females but that’s most women in general that express a hard time relating to other females all together for what ever reason. 

Male athletes can see lesbians as “one of them” Free to make remarks about women and other issues that do not concern sports. I found that even with the football friends and wrestling friends that do know about me they would say what ever came to mind and many found it just easier to stay clear friendships all together. I remember a teammate making calls to my cell all the time about wanting to tick my ass, although I knew on the field I was better than him and even found myself beating him down many time, but it was the idea that coaches and other players even when told would do nothing. 

Minorities in sports are not represented in a fair manor, but how can they be when many are as scared as I am about the rejection that would come from teammates, coaches, and staff. The individual could be loved and even respected for the athletic part; when it comes down to it the schools and the universities must make it a non issue and prove that zero tolerance will be in effect when athletes are harassed about any issues outside of the actual athletics. I for one feel that if you mess up on the court fine so be it you had control over that but if you so happen to do something outside the sports field and the universities or teams then try to target your sexuality then it should be addressed in any other manor not just the idea that “ you’re a fag you got what’s coming to you” mindset</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay leagues to me are much like the Negro leagues of the 20th cent. They were needed only so that the athletes could compete. I feel that today we don’t need those leagues because as an athlete you want to compete with the best. Many people play sports not for the money but for the Glory of the sport. </p>
<p>We want Equal rights not a separate state where one superior athlete can beat up on lesser ones in what some would call a &#8220;Recreational league&#8221;! We play sports for a challenge and we reporting on these issues the NCAA and male dominated sports seem to be far behind the Female sports. It’s a clear point Lesbians are many times more likely in the sports based only on my relationships to be excepted by the School that they compete for. It is the idea that Masculinity in females is sometimes admired by the Male teams although I did see many of the lesbians have issues with other females but that’s most women in general that express a hard time relating to other females all together for what ever reason. </p>
<p>Male athletes can see lesbians as “one of them” Free to make remarks about women and other issues that do not concern sports. I found that even with the football friends and wrestling friends that do know about me they would say what ever came to mind and many found it just easier to stay clear friendships all together. I remember a teammate making calls to my cell all the time about wanting to tick my ass, although I knew on the field I was better than him and even found myself beating him down many time, but it was the idea that coaches and other players even when told would do nothing. </p>
<p>Minorities in sports are not represented in a fair manor, but how can they be when many are as scared as I am about the rejection that would come from teammates, coaches, and staff. The individual could be loved and even respected for the athletic part; when it comes down to it the schools and the universities must make it a non issue and prove that zero tolerance will be in effect when athletes are harassed about any issues outside of the actual athletics. I for one feel that if you mess up on the court fine so be it you had control over that but if you so happen to do something outside the sports field and the universities or teams then try to target your sexuality then it should be addressed in any other manor not just the idea that “ you’re a fag you got what’s coming to you” mindset</p>
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		<title>By: Lucrece</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21040</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucrece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lesbian-themed sites and spaces/communities rarely strive to include gay male; and when they do, it&#039;s often parenthetical, second to the leading lesbian imagery. The women get purposely showcased first, and they gay male part is a side-show.

So why can&#039;t there exist gay male counterparts? Lacking representation of different races and ethnicities? Refer Outsports to someone willing to contribute. It still remains that communities of color complain about outreach but rarely offer the resources/suggestions themselves. If you have no out athletes of colors taking inititative to broaden the picture and add to the tapestry of this online community, there&#039;s only so much the editors can do.

The only criticism that does strike me as resonant is the need for more feature pieces. Local gay sports scenes, teams, interviews, coverage of gay games.  There are many sites to cover pro/college sports; there are nearly no satisfactory sites to cover gay leagues and the lives of gay athletes.

I try to include athletics in my life, but I still feel I could take it to a different level. I would like to see in Outsports resources and vignettes about being in gay leagues, how to approach athletics as a rookie (some of us do often feel as outsiders).

Oh, and speaking of lack of voices, Patricial Nell Warren is a contributor to this site, and her contributions are one of the most thorough and prominently featured in this site.

P.S. Referring to male nudity with puritan disaproval is not a way to endear yourself to gay male readers. If you don&#039;t understand male sexuality, fine, skip over the pictures. But to pretend we have to sanitize the place of well-natured eye candy in order to not offend your lesbian eyes reeks of the rhetoric used by straight people to justify their dislike for gay PDA and media representation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lesbian-themed sites and spaces/communities rarely strive to include gay male; and when they do, it&#8217;s often parenthetical, second to the leading lesbian imagery. The women get purposely showcased first, and they gay male part is a side-show.</p>
<p>So why can&#8217;t there exist gay male counterparts? Lacking representation of different races and ethnicities? Refer Outsports to someone willing to contribute. It still remains that communities of color complain about outreach but rarely offer the resources/suggestions themselves. If you have no out athletes of colors taking inititative to broaden the picture and add to the tapestry of this online community, there&#8217;s only so much the editors can do.</p>
<p>The only criticism that does strike me as resonant is the need for more feature pieces. Local gay sports scenes, teams, interviews, coverage of gay games.  There are many sites to cover pro/college sports; there are nearly no satisfactory sites to cover gay leagues and the lives of gay athletes.</p>
<p>I try to include athletics in my life, but I still feel I could take it to a different level. I would like to see in Outsports resources and vignettes about being in gay leagues, how to approach athletics as a rookie (some of us do often feel as outsiders).</p>
<p>Oh, and speaking of lack of voices, Patricial Nell Warren is a contributor to this site, and her contributions are one of the most thorough and prominently featured in this site.</p>
<p>P.S. Referring to male nudity with puritan disaproval is not a way to endear yourself to gay male readers. If you don&#8217;t understand male sexuality, fine, skip over the pictures. But to pretend we have to sanitize the place of well-natured eye candy in order to not offend your lesbian eyes reeks of the rhetoric used by straight people to justify their dislike for gay PDA and media representation.</p>
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		<title>By: A.Pat</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21039</link>
		<dc:creator>A.Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know for Myself its hard to get funding in the Olympic sports but maybe when they get near the top they can come out and sometimes its the fact they arent perfect and it In many communities people are subject to mass out poors of hate. I will say reading this does make me get closer to wanting to come out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know for Myself its hard to get funding in the Olympic sports but maybe when they get near the top they can come out and sometimes its the fact they arent perfect and it In many communities people are subject to mass out poors of hate. I will say reading this does make me get closer to wanting to come out.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Clark</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21031</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a gay site would allow its own pages to criticize itself for being “[d]ominated by white masculinity,” the latter of which, at the very least, is a fate worse than death for a “community” that thinks lesbians of colour are its most evolved members and everybody else is some kind of phallocratic racist until proven otherwise. (Bonus points for unironic use of “hegemonic.”)

The Web’s a big place. Start an alternative site and prove Outsports wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a gay site would allow its own pages to criticize itself for being “[d]ominated by white masculinity,” the latter of which, at the very least, is a fate worse than death for a “community” that thinks lesbians of colour are its most evolved members and everybody else is some kind of phallocratic racist until proven otherwise. (Bonus points for unironic use of “hegemonic.”)</p>
<p>The Web’s a big place. Start an alternative site and prove Outsports wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Balljunkie</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21022</link>
		<dc:creator>Balljunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The diversity issue has been brought up since I started coming here in 2002. 

I commend Cyd and Jim for doing what they can, but in the end it boils down to the bloggers that come on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The diversity issue has been brought up since I started coming here in 2002. </p>
<p>I commend Cyd and Jim for doing what they can, but in the end it boils down to the bloggers that come on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Guckin</title>
		<link>http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/11/activist-bring-more-minority-voices-to-outsports/comment-page-1/#comment-21021</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Guckin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That poll isn&#039;t exactly scientific. It may not even be restricted to one vote per person, or one per computer. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a bad idea to have some variety in subject matter, as long as it&#039;s sports-related (and not about &quot;reality&quot; TV &quot;stars&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That poll isn&#8217;t exactly scientific. It may not even be restricted to one vote per person, or one per computer. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a bad idea to have some variety in subject matter, as long as it&#8217;s sports-related (and not about &#8220;reality&#8221; TV &#8220;stars&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: DruggyBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>DruggyBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well as a minority voice let me say that i think the reason outsports trends white is well, cuz Cyd and Jim like their ice cream vanilla, if you know what i mean. not that there&#039;s anything wrong with that, but the beefcake stuff is obviously their tastes, which i also share so it doesn&#039;t bother me. would i like to see more hot latino and black players featured, sure there&#039;s plenty out there but an outside contributor will be the best way to &quot;darken&quot; Outsports rather than impose some sort of &quot;Rooney Rule&quot; on Jim &amp; Cyd.

as far as featuring lesbians, eh, i say no thanks. is it any shock that women in sports are gay?  that&#039;d be like finding a gay male in the world of design or modeling, no big whoop. besides as the recent poll showed it isn&#039;t anything we are clamoring for here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well as a minority voice let me say that i think the reason outsports trends white is well, cuz Cyd and Jim like their ice cream vanilla, if you know what i mean. not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that, but the beefcake stuff is obviously their tastes, which i also share so it doesn&#8217;t bother me. would i like to see more hot latino and black players featured, sure there&#8217;s plenty out there but an outside contributor will be the best way to &#8220;darken&#8221; Outsports rather than impose some sort of &#8220;Rooney Rule&#8221; on Jim &amp; Cyd.</p>
<p>as far as featuring lesbians, eh, i say no thanks. is it any shock that women in sports are gay?  that&#8217;d be like finding a gay male in the world of design or modeling, no big whoop. besides as the recent poll showed it isn&#8217;t anything we are clamoring for here.</p>
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